God as Man

I think that when God became embodied, he would have had to go through a sort of forgetting process in order to experience life fully as a man. People who deal in mystical things commonly teach that we each contain all knowledge within us, but we need to remember. We’ve forgotten. So it makes sense that Jesus would have been born having forgotten everything he knew as God.

Jesus would have sought unity with God, just like other mystics, only to discover that he was God and had been sent to be Messiah. What I find fascinating about this idea is what sort of proof or verification Jesus would have needed in order to accept this. The world was filled with false Messiahs at the time. To step out and claim that role would take a lot of nerve on the part of a non-crazy, non-deceptive, non-power-seeking human, don’t you think?

I suppose being able to perform miracles helped. And the fact that his birth story was rather woo-woo. But it’s pretty easy to see why his family thought he was crazy and tried to come and drag him home.

4 thoughts on “God as Man

  1. Absolutely had to leave his divine attributes behind, otherwise he could not have been fully human. He faced the world’s win or lose thinking head on, which is why I like the title of your blogs so much.

  2. ‘In unity with God’ and ‘Messiah’ are different concepts, you know. ‘Messiah’ == ‘King of the Judeans’ — which was a political title that made those Romans & their supporters touchy. Christianity’s notion of ‘Christ’ is something else again, whether illuminating or simply confusing.

    Wearing a ‘God inside’ button would not have gone over well in that time & place — though I suspect “John” ‘s book about him was based on things Jesus told some disciples privately.

    1. I don’t mean to say that unity with God and Messiah are the same thing. I think he would not have been able to claim his role as Messiah if he had not found unity with God first. After all, Jesus is not the only person to ever claim unity with God. But his is the only one (that I know of) who claimed both unity with God and the role of Messiah who was able to back up his claims with the sort of signs and wonders that people saw him perform.

      I sometimes wonder if taking on the role of Messiah wasn’t something of a dawning understanding that he had to come to. If you look at the beginning of his ministry and how often he sent people away with instructions not to tell anyone. Might that not have been a result of hesitancy to publicly claim – through word, teaching or deed – the role of Messiah? Given how eager people were to accept claims of Messiah, a man who healed people was inevitably going to be labeled as such even if he did not make the claim himself. Of course, no one ever followed his instruction not to tell anyone, so if he was attempting to avoid coming out as Messiah, it didn’t work.

      I love your suggestion that some of the gospel’s claims about Jesus came out of private conversations with the disciples. We know he had such conversations and explained many things to them which were not part of his public sermons.

      I suspect that the reason John has so many more esoteric concept than the others has to do with the mysterious “disciple Jesus loved”. The gospel was written by (or based on the testimony of) either that disciple or someone very close to that disciple. I heard a teaching a while ago that the reason Jesus loved this disciple was because he understood Jesus in a way the others did not. This disciple was able to see Jesus as fully human while the others tended to think about him in more grandiose terms.

      1. There is that odd matter of a ‘coronation Psalm’ being quoted in the story of his “baptism” by John the B…

        ‘Annointments’ in a couple of Biblical precedents had been pretty much private events. David’s, for example, while Saul was still ‘King’. One of Elisha’s disciples showing up at a council of high army officers, asking to talk to Jehu privately. Jehu comes out afterwards; his staff want to know what that holy man had to say… “Uh, I’m King.” Whereupon they spread their coats out for him to walk on on his way out to their horses.

        Jesus, of course, did not have a disgruntled army ready to back him. He had good reason to keep any such event secret. (And those days as in these, there could be a big discrepancy between ‘what everybody knows’ and ‘what can be said officially.’)

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